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Архивы => Архив => Тема начата: Dorte от Октябрь 21, 2006, 19:51:24

Название: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 21, 2006, 19:51:24

Hello!
I like to know more about the Ukraine, the Horses.....   80

If you lke to know more about Germany and the horses, please ask me!    :yes:

The best way is I think this forum, because I can not read all emails from Ukraine/Russia...   %|

So you can send me a PM also!   ;)

I understand ENGLISH an GERMAN!  :rolf:
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Invisible от Октябрь 22, 2006, 00:26:20
Hello, Dorte.

We are really glad that our website is intresting for people outside Ukraine, Russia and other CIS countries.

Unfortunately, for people who don't know russian (or Ukrainan), it's very difficult to find information about ukrainian horses. Because of this we are going to translate the part of this website into English in the nearest future.

I also would like to know more about Germany and the horses so I hope that our contact will be really useful 0-0-0
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 22, 2006, 10:56:59
Hello, Dorte.

We are really glad that our website is intresting for people outside Ukraine, Russia and other CIS countries.

Unfortunately, for people who don't know russian (or Ukrainan), it's very difficult to find information about ukrainian horses. Because of this we are going to translate the part of this website into English in the nearest future.

I also would like to know more about Germany and the horses so I hope that our contact will be really useful 0-0-0

Hello!
Yes that is very good!!!  8)
-Translate in English!

What you like to know about Germany and the horses? Do you have special wish?


I like to have infos about:
Ridinglessons (what is the price for a lessons, I know it is very difficult to say it...)

I will test to say how it is in Germany, it is not in a detail!
It is in a short-form!

- in Germany you can have "lessons" for 5-7 Euro but I will not say to this really lessons   8<
and if you wish lern good, but in a group it is so around 10 Euro to 20 Euro on the countryside, and so 20 Euro and more in the area from a town...
in East Germany it is cheaper, but you find not so good teacher.... :(

If you like to have a ridinglesson only you and your horse.. it can from 20 Euro up to 50, 60 and more!

Riding-hollidays for children?
Do you have it in the Ukraine? - I have nothing find in Internet!

The Horseprice

I have look in Internet it is nearly the same like in Germany!?
or have I a wronge view?






Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Unison от Октябрь 23, 2006, 11:57:04
The prices for riding lessons range from 10$ to 20$. And the quality of trainings in Ukraine often don't depend on the price. If you're lucky you can find a high level trainer for minimal price and even able to take part in competitions in dressage/show jumping. At the same time you can ride in any kind of elite and expensive stables for 20$ per hour without proper teacher's attention.

Concerning children's riding holidays unfortunately I know nothing about that. There're riding camps in Russia but it seems there aren't any in Ukraine. But instead we have a great opportunity to make a riding trips or camps for several days out of the city or in Crimea.

The prices on horses depend on their pedigree, training level and so on. For example a hobby level horse you can have from 3 000$. St George sound perspective horse will cost from 25 000$. (There' re cheaper but it most cases it tells about some problems with health)

And what about prices for horses in Germany?   
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 23, 2006, 12:41:38
And what about prices for horses in Germany?   

Hello!
I do not know! Because I read and own Icelandic horses.
We have competition and World cup?s , too.
But it is a other "area",
so I search now!
So I find, Gelding from 194, high 180, Holsteiner,:

Abstammung : Caletto I
Geburtsjahr : 1994
Zuchtgebiet : Holsteiner
Standort : Deutschland
PLZ : 74731
Geschlecht : Wallach
Stockma? : 180 cm
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 Beschreibung : mehrfach S gewonnen
 Rasse : Holsteiner - Warmblut
Farbe : Brauner
Preis : 32.000 ?
Eingetragen am : 25.09.2006
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Ausbildung : S-Springen
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 Eignung : Springen
 
S-springen is the highest jumping in Germany.
His price is 32000,- Euro

This is a mare:
Abstammung : Sion
Geburtsjahr : 1996
Zuchtgebiet : Oldenburger
Standort : Deutschland
PLZ : 49479
Geschlecht : Stute
Stockma? : 174 cm
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 Beschreibung : Sch?ne braune Stute, super rittig,super sitzbquem mehrfach hoch plaziert.Sie besticht durch ?bersicht und coolnes im Parcour, auch im Viereck bringt sie nichts aus der Ruhe.Und doch ist sie sehr anh?nglich und Personenbezogen.
 Rasse : Oldenburger - Warmblut
Farbe : Brauner
Preis : VB 22.000 ?
Eingetragen am : 16.07.2006
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 Ausbildung : S-Springen
A-Dressur
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Eignung : Dressur
Springen
 
Dressur-A a very easy dressage!!!
(The most horses can do that!!!)



Dressage- Horses:

Abstammung : Dschingis Khan
Geburtsjahr : 1993
Zuchtgebiet : Sachse
Standort : Deutschland
PLZ : 1796
Geschlecht : Stute
Stockma? : 173 cm
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 Beschreibung : ideales Lehrpferd f?r das grosse Viereck, viel Schwung,gute Grundgangarten, Wechsel ? tempi bis 2er sicher, sehr umg?nglich, gel?ndesicher,quadrillentauglich,kein Angsthase,springt auch super,im Freispringen bis 1,70
 Rasse : Sonstige
Farbe : Brauner
Preis : 9500 ?
Eingetragen am : 22.08.2006
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 Ausbildung : S-Dressur
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Eignung : Dressur
 

Here stay nothing from the pedigree....



But I see in a other side:
http://www.pferde.de/index.php

A good dressage or jump horse is over 30000,- Euro!


But now I must go eat!

But I will search for you more!

Or if some people have a wish for a special horse, ask me!

Thank you!
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Unison от Октябрь 23, 2006, 13:27:16
It's interesting to know what is required there in Germany for getting license for hannoveraner (or other german horses) breeding?
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 23, 2006, 13:49:56
So here now links!

About Oldenburger:

http://www.oldenburger-pferde.com/horses/63_88.php

For translate:
http://uebersetzer.abacho.de/
He do it from German in Russian!

it is a German paper for sale horses, you find mostly from horse/pony farms.
Not from breeder, more saler....
but to look and search: (only for horse people!!!!)
If you not have much horse experiance, it can be angree for you!  %|
http://www.pferdemarkt.de/suche/pferde.php

This is a good page:
http://www.sporthorses-online.de/horses-for-sale.html
with Video... (but there stay with vet. check, you must ask, how old the check and witch Dr. has do it!)


For self search:

Springpferd - Jumping horse
Dressurpferd - Dressage horse
Hengst - stallion
Stute - mare
Wallach - gelding
Fohlen - foal
J?hrling - 1 year old
Abstammung - pedigree
Vater - father
Mutter - mother


If you need more Infos?
Ask!
If you search a horse?
And you have find some here in Germany, maybe I can help you!





Did someone know what I must do if I will take/bring a horse to Ukraine?

My dream is it to live in Ukraine,
that is one point, why I look for Horse-People!


Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 24, 2006, 11:33:22
It's interesting to know what is required there in Germany for getting license for hannoveraner (or other german horses) breeding?

 80 For Hannoveraner (all in English!!!)

http://www.hannoveraner.com/english/index.htm

 80 For Oldenburger (all in English)

http://www.oldenburger-pferde.com/horses/index_10.php

 80 For Westfalen (all in English, I know they are in Ukraine,too)

http://www.westfalenpferde.de/english/index.htm

 80 For Holsteiner I find nothing... not in german, not in english, they have a page, but they write nothing about there breeding..?

 80 For Trakehner it is only in german.
  If you like I search more!

http://www.trakehner-verband.de/
breeding-finish:
http://www.trakehner-verband.de/pferde/zuchtziel.html
breeding-program
http://www.trakehner-verband.de/pferde/zuchtprogramm.html
here you find on the right side specials about the selection!!!

 80 Deutsches Sportpferd - it is the horse from East-Germany, I meen it is very nearly the Hannoveraner!
It is started to breed 2003
But here i find nothing, not in German, not in English...
I find on the pages from east-germany-breeding-clubs nothing to breeding! Only sell horses... and if you would be a member...

 80 Mecklenburger - it is the Deutsches Sportpferd, too.
But the people from the Area Mecklenburg would not have the name.
They would have there name!!!!
It is started to breed 2003
But here i find nothing, not in German, not in English...
I find on the pages from east-germany-breeding-clubs nothing to breeding! Only sell horses... and if you would be a member...


So I hope I can help you with thies!
I was thinking it is much better, with english pages, but that we have not very much in germany....

... maybe that is because we german people can not good speak english and not write english!!!
I know that, I was in different countries and all have a better english!






Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 24, 2006, 13:40:29

 80 About Friesen I find this, only in german (english is under contstruction) and only in .doc!!!!!!


http://www.friesenpferde-zuchtverband.de/images_beitraege/downloads/zbo2006.doc
 

Here you find sale-horses:

http://www.friesenpferde-zuchtverband.de/index.php3?hid=051


And this I finde on the page:
it is for driving:
Tilbury, schicke antike Kutsche in gutem Zustand, komplett mit Geschirr f?r 2.000,- Euro. Kontakt: Tel. Nr. 02832-899251
here with picture:
http://www.friesenpferde-zuchtverband.de/index.php3?hid=051233


If you search for something.... please ask me!

If someone come to Germany, and need help, I will help you so much I can!!!!!

- Hotel, I will help you to find a good and cheap....

if you travel with a train - you must look very good, if the people see you are from a other country you became a ticket what costs more! Ask all time for a cheaper!!!!

if you looking for some other kinds like: carriage, coach, .... I will search for you!


 
 
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Invisible от Октябрь 26, 2006, 11:02:53
Dorte, thank you for the information.
Did someone know what I must do if I will take/bring a horse to Ukraine?
Of course, our company knows a lot about import horses to Ukraine and if you'll need to do it, we'll help you. :smile3:
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 26, 2006, 14:11:46
Dorte, thank you for the information.
Did someone know what I must do if I will take/bring a horse to Ukraine?
Of course, our company knows a lot about import horses to Ukraine and if you'll need to do it, we'll help you. :smile3:

But not so:  :rolf:
(http://www.africa-adventure.org/p/pezulu/pezumicr.jpg)
 :sarcastic:

Yes, because I like to move with my horses/ponys to ukraine!
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Evelle от Октябрь 26, 2006, 15:54:12
Hello, Dorte!
Welcome to the one of the virtual parts of Ukraine. (And one of the nicest).
Can I ask you? In this forum we had a discussion "What do you think about closed Horse Clubs"? It so hapenned historically, that in Ukraine we do not really have culture of the closed horse clubs. Yes, some of them do net have  free access to membership - but not so closed as it can be. If you have money and good horse (or just money) - you can enter. If think how it can be - that you can't enter without recomendation even if you have money, horses, name - we dont have it. What we called club - its the community of like-minded persons (no matter, do they have horse or not) and  non-permanent comers. IMHO.
So, how this thing is in Germany?
And is it easy to find the place to ride and to learn horsmenship (in wide meaning of this word) there?

P. S. I was in Germany in Frankfurt-on-Maine. It was really good, but unfortunatly no horses - only work. Do you plan sometime withit our country?
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 26, 2006, 21:24:15
Hello, Dorte!
Welcome to the one of the virtual parts of Ukraine. (And one of the nicest).
Can I ask you? In this forum we had a discussion "What do you think about closed Horse Clubs"? It so hapenned historically, that in Ukraine we do not really have culture of the closed horse clubs. Yes, some of them do net have  free access to membership - but not so closed as it can be. If you have money and good horse (or just money) - you can enter. If think how it can be - that you can't enter without recomendation even if you have money, horses, name - we dont have it. What we called club - its the community of like-minded persons (no matter, do they have horse or not) and  non-permanent comers. IMHO.
So, how this thing is in Germany?
And is it easy to find the place to ride and to learn horsmenship (in wide meaning of this word) there?

P. S. I was in Germany in Frankfurt-on-Maine. It was really good, but unfortunatly no horses - only work. Do you plan sometime withit our country?




Oh, Sorry!
I do not understand!
What for a horseclub?
For rider / breeder...

Yes this forum is very nice! 8)
I know only 4 other forums (horse forums from UKRAINA!!!)


Can you tell me more about the club!
If you like to ride, you must be in a club in Ukraine?
What is IMHO?

Thanks!
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Unison от Октябрь 26, 2006, 21:43:20
Dorte, Evelle is interested in horse riding clubs in Germany. There must be so called "closed" or "vip","elite" clubs where it's rather difficult to get. And possibly there're usual horse riding clubs where you can make a call the day before to arrange your riding lesson. could you please tell more about those "closed" clubs if you know.   

Dorte, thank you for the information.
Did someone know what I must do if I will take/bring a horse to Ukraine?
Of course, our company knows a lot about import horses to Ukraine and if you'll need to do it, we'll help you. :smile3:

But not so:  :rolf:
(http://www.africa-adventure.org/p/pezulu/pezumicr.jpg)
 :sarcastic:

Yes, because I like to move with my horses/ponys to ukraine!


Hehe.  :sarcastic: no, not so. And why are you so desired to get to Ukraine with your horses? And how old are you if not a secret ;)

To Asja: Тут необходим знаток немецкого.  80
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 27, 2006, 10:19:19
Hallo!
I am 29 years.
And my parents will come with me!
I am single  ;) .....

So now I will search for VIP-clubs!
I think we have some, but mostly we go ride on a horse-stable/farm...


Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 27, 2006, 11:23:45
We have V.I.P. Clubs for Polo!
Only people with much money can play it!
You need around 4/6 and more Poloponys.....

We have in germany clubs for breeder, where you must be a member if you will breed a horse.
The fee is different (in north and east Germany more, in west and south cheaper)  :rolf:

And you must be in the club, what kind of horses do you have!
If you have a Hannoveraner, you must be member in the Hannoveraner-club...Oldenburger... Westfahlen...

Than we have clubs, if you like to go on competition...
If you will go Jumping/Dressage you must be member in the FN.
If you have Icelandichorses you must be member in the Iceland horse club....
Some competiton you can only ride if you in the club (and your horse, too) some you can ride so, but mostly you must pay the double price!!!

If you will "only" take ridinglessons:

For Exemple how the most people ride in Germany:

1. The most people go in a week ridinglessons (1-2x in the week ridinglessons)
The stable take the money mostly infron of the month or for 3 month...
So if you say: I ride on Monday and Wednesday, you must pay it!
If you can not come, you must befor (mostly 24 hours) and say that you can not come.
So it is possible that you can ride the lesson You have pay infront next month (you pay than the next month one lesson not)...
If you not ring/or say it the riding teacher it is your Porblem, with the money....

Or:
In some areas is it so that there are riding association.

That is (I find it so, I do not if its tru?) that is for people with not so much money/ or they like it more cheap and not so much the good ridinglessons..., because its "only" club-horses and all own they....

I have search and find for exemple this:

Member fee:
For ridingpeople: 120 Euro in the year
For not riding: 60 Euro in the year
For children: 60 in the year.

If you like (children) Vaulting, you must pay + 10 Euro every month.
If you take ridinglessons you must pay (around) 1/3 less than a not member!

But if you not member they look at you! :rolf:

In other riding association you can ride for testing around 8x and than you must be a member, if not you can not ride there...

In so a riding association is the price of a  ridinglessons less, than if you go in a stable....
(Because they have member, they do not ride "only" pay and sponsor the young people!)

And the ridingteacher make it honorary, or only for a very smal/little money (mostly).
So it can be that they oft change!


But it is very different in Germany, because some people make it?s only as business.
We have some stable they make it together as Franchise, so the people go to the "Boss" he teach them and now "akrakadrabra" he is a horse- expert!!!!
They must do (buy / sell the horses he say...) they must go for train all 3 month to him... they have all the same price for a ridinglessons (Germany is big and the people have different money in the area...)
Yes it is a good Idear, the make together publication...., but they can not think self!


If you a competition rider, you go (mostly) to a special teacher and take there the lessons, yes maybe you drive for him 2,3 or 4 hours, but you will have the best lessons! -Or would you not win?


Here in germany is RINDING a "Volkssport" popular sport! All girls like to ride!
Yes, in west Germany much more ride...


I hope I can help you with this....

If you like to know more, ask!


Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 27, 2006, 11:36:04
Ha, We have VIP-Clubs!
But more in Golf, Tennis....

But the people see that the people in the club, older and older...

now they look about young people, and now is it not more so importent the VIP!

In the VIP-ridingclubs in Germany, are mostly not the VIP -people in!
More the people they hope to find a VIP-Husband  :rolf:

Or f.e. the people live in a "expenisv" area, than they are member in a club in the area...

If you look f.e. to Hamburg, there is the area "Blankenese" for the VIP people, they know all each other, they was going in the same class/school....
And the price there to go riding (or other sport) not all people can pay!
And if you are not from "there" you go not, it is than more "embarrassing".

Yes people from Hamburg and the area, they was born in "Blankenese" or have good friends there they go maybe there for sport...

Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Октябрь 31, 2006, 19:45:38
An how is it in UKRAINE? :smile3:
 :smile3:

I hope you understand my english.....  :sarcastic:
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Unison от Ноябрь 01, 2006, 16:48:32
Dorte, concerning your question about the way to come to Ukraine with your horses I can tell you the next things. There're some border requirements for horses export. You need to have a signed veterinary certificate (a lot of vet exames must be done and a quarantine of 21 days there in Germany must be held). Without it you won't have permission for export. And also there're too many different details to discuss...
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Asja от Ноябрь 01, 2006, 17:18:40
Hi! Wo wohnst du in Deutschland? Ich habe 10 Jahre in Muenchen gelebt, da war das Reiten viel mehr teuerer... :(
Название: Re: Looking for Horse-friends from the Ukraine....
Отправлено: Dorte от Ноябрь 01, 2006, 18:11:17

Hello!
I "will" like to live in Ukraine!!!  8)
So I like to know all about Import regualtions for horses from Germany to Ukraine!!!!!

Ich m?chte gerne in die Ukraine umziehen!!!  8)
Darum SUCHE ich alle infos zum Thema Einfuhrbestimmungen f?r Pferde/Ponys von Deutschland in die Ukraine!!!!
Quarantine? Where? Tell me please more!!!  %| ????
I have some horses, I will not come with "only" one!  :rolf: much work????!!!

@ Asja@ Ich bin georen in Bremen, aufgewachsen bei Verden/Aller - Thedinghausen
und nun wohne ich ca. 40 km n?rdlich von Magedeburg, weil man hier "noch" ?berall Reiten darf!
Ansonsten gibt es leider viele Reitverbots Schilder in Deutschland.....